Krishna West is being formally introduced all over the world. Given the history of ISKCON it is natural and even laudable that devotees may question if this is another attempt to corrupt or disrupt ISKCON. This document aims to allay some of the most common fears and to show that Krishna West is a fully bonafide ISKCON initiative.

Misconception: Krishna West weakens the spiritual practice and philosophy left by our founder- acharya A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Truth: Krishna West changes absolutely nothing in the spiritual practice and philosophy left by our founder-acharya A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada! It’s the exact same spiritual program, the same spiritual practice with the same emphasis on Srila Prabhupada’s books. Krishna West does not have its own acharya, nor its own teachings or ideology.

Misconception: Krishna West is an excuse to become lax, to not follow the principles or not chant japa.

Truth: Krishna West in no way lessens the importance of 16 rounds a day minimum of the Hare Krishna mantra, nor in any way condones breaking principles. Krishna West leaders will have to demonstrate a sadhana and sattvic pious lifestyle above suspicion.

Misconception: Krishna West wants to change ISKCON.

Truth: Krishna West has no desire to change any ISKCON devotee or change any ISKCON project. We respect and accept as bonafide the way things are done now, even while considering what we are doing as equally respectable and bonafide. We accept there is a section of the population that is attracted to the way ISKCON is currently presenting itself.

Misconception: Srila Prabhupada would not approve Krishna West.

Truth: There is ample evidence that Srila Prabhupada approved and lauded the use of Western clothing and music, use of chairs, etc. in the presentation of Krishna Consciousness. He has done this in Srimad Bhagavatam purports, in conversations, letters and through his personal example. And there is no evidence that Indian ethnicity is a necessary part of Krishna Consciousness – this cannot be found in any shastra, was never mentioned by any previous Acharya and was never written or spoken by Srila Prabhupada.

Misconception: Since Krishna West advocates not using dhotis and saris, the devotees and even the pujaris in Krishna West will be wearing mini-skirts, torn jeans, heavy metal t-shirts, etc.

Truth: We understand that vedic culture means living in sattva, the mode of goodness. As such, clothes that are unchaste, inappropriate, that draw attention to one’s body and away from Krishna or that unnecessarily emphasize one’s social or financial position over others is not appropriate. We will teach this to all our congregation and demand it from our leaders.

Misconception: Krishna West is similar to Kirtananda’s New Vrindavan fiasco.

Truth: Kirtanananda in New Vrindavana changed three basic things that Prabhupada did not want changed: 1. He changed the philosophy, 2. He changed the basic spiritual program in the temple, 3. He was not loyal to ISKCON. In contrast, Krishna West does not change our philosophy or spiritual program, and Krishna West is loyal to ISKCON.

Misconception: Krishna West will be to ISKCON what the Protestant Movement was to the Catholic Church.

Truth: Martin Luther rejected the spiritual efficacy of Catholic rituals. We accept the presence of Krishna in the Deity form, the authority of spiritual hierarchy, etc. A better example would be the case of Paul who turned Christianity into a world religion by allowing people to follow Jesus without the need to become orthodox Jews. Every major world religion succeeded by adapting to time and place.

Misconception: In Krishna West there will be no Deities and no kirtan.

Truth: Krishna West has no policy against Deities and will follow the GBC Ministry of Deity Worship guidelines like any other ISKCON center. And there will absolutely be kirtan in all Krishna West spiritual programs, most likely using mrdangas and kartals, etc.

Misconception: Krishna West will be separatist and look down upon traditional ISKCON Centers and the devotees who prefer the traditional model.

Truth: Krishna West leaders are taught from the beginning to cultivate a mood of respect and appreciation of all other devotees. We respect and appreciate the unity in diversity of ISKCON, and believe it to be essential to the success of ISKCON.

Misconception: Krishna West is just another bridge program.

Truth: Krishna West is not a bridge program. We will offer the entire body of Krishna Consciousness philosophy as presented by Srila Prabhupada, with all the levels of practice and engagement offered by any regular ISKCON program.

Misconception: There must be other shadier motivations to Krishna West that are not being revealed.

Truth: Krishna West is just presenting Krishna Consciousness as it is, just adjusting external elements such as clothing, menu, décor, architecture, chair sitting, etc. to Western sattvic standards. There really is nothing more. There are no other items on our agenda. It’s a simple thing, but we believe it to be essential if we are to fulfill Srila Prabhupada’s wish to make Krishna Consciousness a relevant spiritual movement in the world.

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  • Mathuresh dasa

    Western clothes, local style food dishes, chairs, western decoration, etc. etc. are already being used in many places around the world, in our diverse ISKCON preaching programs. This is going on for many years already. What is the use of creating a “special name” for a “special group” such as Krishna West inside the ISKCON Movement? The consequence is that a polarization will be experienced (it is already in place). We have got in our movement diverse ways of preaching and diverse positions from our leaders, from very orthodox, traditional and conservative to very liberal, modern and progressive. ALL are our diverse dear members, dear Krishna Bhaktas making an effort according to time, place and circumstance to make spiritual advancement through the path of Bhakti Yoga, chanting the Holy Names and trying to develop love for Krishna. As long as we maintain honest respect and vaisnava etiquette in our dealings, success is assured. Srila Prabhupada already created a house in which the whole world can leave. Unity in diversity, sounds familiar?. My respects to HH HDG, I am absolutely sure that he and the GBC committee will reach an intelligent resolution to this apparent controversy for the benefit of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Movement and its diverse members.

    • Nitya Kishor dd

      Hare krsna dear devotees,dandavats! pranam!

      I’m very proud of you.. How much I learned from your posts and how much I became inspired. HH Hrdayananda Mahara is my spiritual master. I’m full time preacher. When I joined I was book distributor full time and I tell you that I never did book distribution with sari (very rare, maybe 5 times in 12 years). There is no harm, it is approved by Srila Prabhupada in the 7 Canto of SB, no problem, doesn’t break any principle, but is already there, what is the use of creating other name, other society inside ISKCON?

      Unless I’m crazy and blind I could not see how Srila Prabhupada disapproved all these things, ‘new style preaching’. HH Radhanath Maharaj is preaching a lot in everywhere, making so many new devotees, young people, with dothi and tilaka.

      I’d like to share that I live in Bengal for a couple of years and all of you will be very glad and happy to know that our background is amazing! Unfortunately I cannot explain by words here, I invite you to experience, to stay in the dham and go deep on our vaishnava culture, there is no such a thing more sublime than vaishnava culture in the whole universe: the music (ragas), the instruments, the behavior, the clothes, the houses, the cows, the children and so on.

      In another part of India they wear another kind of clothes, another way to wear sari, so, our culture is very specific, very sublime and very “krsna life style’, so nice… :)

      thank you very much for your love and association,

      your humble servant,
      Nitya Kishor dd

  • http://prabhupada-books.com/ Murari dasa dasa

    In terms of dress code, I cannot help but think of when Prabhupada first arrived in America. Although he wore some western style clothing such as coats for the cold, he continued to wear a dhoti, despite having the option to wear trousers. Why?

    • http://gravatar.com/anangamanjari jayanandadas

      because it’s Prabhupad’s culture. He let Jayananda Prabhu wear suits to temple programs.

  • http://gravatar.com/niscala1 niscala1

    There is absolutely nothing in Srila Prabhupada’s instructions that would contraindicate any of the features of Krsihna West mentioned here, and everything described herein supports his instructions and mission. Not changing the essential teachings and practice of Krsna consciousness, while making external adjustments according to time, place and circumstance is absolutely necessary to reach out to as many as possible. Hridayananda Maharaja, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, is too progressive, broad-minded and compassionate for the ISKCON politics and narrow-minded sectarian viewpoints that are present in the leadership of that society. Hence, they hounded him when he gave a blessing to a gay couple, even though the blessing was full of inspirational instructions about how to make Krsna the centre of the household and the heart. Now again they are hounding him, for presenting KC with external adjustments as he sees fit, according to time, place and circumstances. What can be done? To the extent that they engage in such machinations, to that extent ISKCON has become less of a vehicle for the propagation of Krsna consciousness and more of an obstruction.

    • Atma

      ” just my opinion, is too progressive, broad-minded and compassionate for the ISKCON politics and narrow-minded sectarian viewpoints that are present in the leadership of that society”

      Thus anyone who doesn’t agree with you is automatically regressive, narrow minded and cruel.

      That is a sure fire formula to win friends and influence people.

  • https://www.facebook.com/priyavrata.das.1 Priyavrata Das

    I think there is definitely a need for something like Krishna West. As I see it, the need is to “extract” the essence of what Krishna consciousness and Prabhupadas teachings are about and be able to implement them in any cultural context on the planet. One way of doing that is by working within the “Indian” culture, by using Indian dress code, food, design, music, dance etc. That is of course the way Prabhupada did it. But there is another level to his teachings that may not be so obvious at first: Krishna consciousness is transcendental to such cultural differences, and its essence is to always be God conscious and to help spreading God consciousness to everyone. What we call Vedic culture is of course nice and sattvic and lends itself well to the cultivation of Krishna consciousness. But if we expect the people in America, Europe, Islamic countries, China etc to eventually start dressing, cooking and living like Indians then we need a serious reality check: Does anyone believe that this will actually happen?

    But anyone in the world, irrespective of nation, race or creed, could eventually accept this: We are the eternal self rather than just a body; all living beings are not separate but are branching out from the original being, like a tree; when we live with that awareness we are connected to our source and will be fulfilled and happy (watering the root of the tree), and that this connection is realised through love and devotion.

    And when you look at that last statement you find Krishna consciousness in a nutshell (including bhedabheda tattva). What more is needed than that? (and you may note that this little nutshell explanation was completely universal and non-sectarian).

    If there is a wide effort for spreading that essence to people at large and a fair success at that, the world would change. Of that I am convinced. And that is by far the prime mission that Prabhupada emphasised over and over again, and he was extremely pragmatic about that. (He even once told Harikesha, while urging him to spread Krishna consciousness in the Soviet Union, “You can eat meat if you have to!”)

    However, the question is if this can be done within the ISKCON organisation. Maybe it is more natural that something like Krishna West could peacefully co-exist with ISKCON instead. I know there has been a general fear of splinter groups and such, but splinter groups are already there anyway, and I even think that is quite ok. The vaishnava tradition has always been growing in branches – what’s the harm in that? Devotees are also different, so why not allow birds of same feather to flock together around certain flavours or understanding of how they want to develop Krishna consciousness? The crucial thing (and that was what Bhaktivinode wanted and why Prabhupada was dissatisfied with Gaudia Math) is to cooperate between those branches, for a global coordinated effort of spreading Krishna consciousness. Again, it’s kind of bhedabheda. Nobody can expect a monolithic organisation. And Prabhupada did not want the Gaudia Math to “join” ISKCON and work under his authority – he wanted to cooperate with them. He did not reject Siddhaswarupas group in Hawaii but accepted them and wanted to cooperate. The mission is what’s important, and to the extent all the disparate branches and groups can work together to promote that mission, the purpose is being fulfilled and there is a certain unity.

    I see there is a fear of creating such co-organisations to ISKCON, as if it automatically entailed separatism. But again, unity in diversity is what our philosophy is about, right? So rather than trying to fit Krishna West inside ISKCON, why not just make it Krishna West? Then establish a healthy cooperation between ISKCON and Krishna West, where the GBC can give their blessings rather than curses, while not feeling threatened by the new organisation because they cooperate and support each other. So yes, some brave step might be needed, but you know, once upon a time Prabhupada took that ship over to the land of the Daityas and I guess most people thought that he would die or fall down or whatever. So brave new attempts are part of our heritage :)

    • http://gravatar.com/nrpgopal nrpgopalPGG das (gopal)

      PAMHO Exactly! Such nice realizations!!

  • http://ankeholst.com ankee

    From the Krishna West mission statement:

    ‘We do this by offering the essential spiritual teaching and practice in its entirety, without requiring students and practitioners to embrace a new ethnicity composed of non-essential Eastern dress, cuisine, music etc.’

    Then why does Hridayananda Goswami still use the Goswami thing?

    (And why hasn’t he gotten rid of the Acaryadeva name when almost everyone else has – well, those of that bunch that are still around)

    Are other people going to keep getting Sanskrit names, and if, then why?

    And how are you going to explain, that people aren’t supposed to eat onions or mushrooms?

    And is a woman on her period still impure?

    Are we still going to cleanse puja things that were touched by a woman on her period with cow dung?

    Ouch my head hurts

  • Hare Krishna dasa

    Pranams. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and all his saints disciples and follwer in special to GBC members.
    Excuse me for my bad English , my mother language is Spanish . As a member of ISKCON for 35 years, I appreciate the leadership system left by the Prabhupada like GBC and all glories to them. And personally I love the kurtas and dhotis that use daily and Hindu musicetc . But Prabhupada asked that we should consider how the Roman Catholic Church magmagement y lidership and they had to accommodate and attract different social circles of Society high leadership created different orders , internal movements , congregations like the Knights of Columbus, the charismatic , Lasallian , The Pontificial Academy of science , etc. . etc . Thus, if the GBC not understand the importance of a project like Krsna West , are excluding one of the most important sectors of Western society from the mercy of Prabhupada and Krishna , whose only in this way may be attracted to practice bhakti , as this elite program especially with the great Western converts deficiency that exists in all ISKCON temple in Europe and America.
    sincerely
    Hare Krishna dasa
    Horacio Francisco Juarez Arganis Ph D.
    Researcher of IPA.

    • Amar Puri

      What you are saying ; ” …… But Prabhupada asked that we should consider how the Roman Catholic Church magmagement y lidership and they had to accommodate and attract different social circles of Society high leadership created different orders , internal movements , congregations like the Knights of Columbus, the charismatic , Lasallian , The Pontificial Academy of science , etc. . etc . ” .

      Where is that such reference of the Quote as a PROOF from Srila Prabhupada is saying what you are writing in your comments ?

  • Jaya Chaitanya

    I really don’t believe that the general public is somehow turned off by Vaishnava clothing, symbols or culture. On the contrary, generally I have seen people become very attracted. I think a lot of devotees don’t realize that most people on earth associate an orange robed monk with the Hare Krishna mantra. I think this very powerful and is extremely effective preaching. It is my humble opinion, in my limited experience, that it is usually devotees themselves who are embarrassed or uncomfortable to represent themselves overtly as members of the Hare Krishna Movement. This may be a legitimate claim in the sense that there are some bad public perceptions of Hare Krishna devotees. Nonetheless, I think it is important for those involved in such a controversial undertaking, especially Hrdyananda Gosvami ,to carefully examine their own personal individual motivations. I would argue that most devotees I know believe that the majority of the problems in the Hare Krishna Movement have been created by different people who thought they could improve on Srila Prabhupada’s approach and technique in spreading Krishna Consciousness. But honestly, we all have to ask ourselves sincerely if we even believe Hrdyananda Gosvami is the person we would trust to do such a task even if it was necessary? Srila Prabhupada always taught us to use our intelligence and never surrender it.

  • http://gravatar.com/akruranatha akruranatha

    We hear a lot about what Krishna West leaders “will” do here, but the fact is that advocates for Krishna West on Facebook and other internet sites are verbally ridiculing traditional ISKCON styles of dress and practices, and indulging in very low-class name-calling and taunting of older disciples of Srila Prabhupada.

    So, if Krishna West wants to live up to its ideals and goals, its leaders should have seminars teaching its supporters how to interact with ISKCON devotees who are not sold on the concept.

    Also, why sell senior ISKCON devotees at all? If it is as successful as its advocates keep predicting it will be, such success will sell itself. ISKCON devotees are usually willing to adopt sankirtan methods that prove effective. Srila Prabhupada said, “We judge by the results.”

    If the whole idea of Krishna West is that it will be more effective in attracting large numbers of non-Hindu people to Vaisnavism (like St. Paul allowing people to become Christians without becoming orthodox Jews), then why doesn’t Krishna West concentrate on making new devotees rather than criticizing ISKCON and trying to recruit members and support away from ISKCON?

    And what would be the need for Maharaja to tour ISKCON temples in Europe introducing this concept? Prove its effectiveness in North America and the European yatras will be begging for Krishna West leaders to come help them apply these same successful techniques. As the saying goes, “If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door.”

  • Citra

    I seldom agree with Akruranatha but in this case I agree totally.

    He is especially correct about several of the followers of Krsna West being obnoxious some to the extreme. Chandrashekacraya is a case in point almost daily lambasting those who prefer to wear traditional Vaisnava attire for the last 2 years. He has soured many relationships with this kind of behavior.

    Akruranatha is right — let them do a better job of making devotee and we will gladly follow them.

    • Chandrashekhara acharya dasa

      If I may: I speak strongly, granted. And the result has indeed been several relationships that have turned sour. What Citra prabhu (forgive me if I use the word “prabhu” for a Vaishnavi) does not mention is all the tremendous positive feedback I’ve received from my Facebook postings. Devotees from all over the world expressed gratitude for my “courage” to speak up about what they also consider to be a certain injustice and (heavy) prejudice in Iskcon regarding the issue of dress-code. Why did Citra dot mention that?
      Furthermore, I do not “lambast almost daily.” If you actually look at my postings, there is a variety of postings, the dress-code issue being one. I apologize for having offended anyone or for having used too harsh a language. But does Citra prabhu ever consider how much abuse circulates the internet against those devotees who want to practice Krishna Consciousness in Western cultural terms? Again, why does Citra not mention that phenomenon?
      Finally, for her (see post below this) to proudly quote a certain Bhakta Steve who affirms his anecdotal “evidence” with the rude and low-class expression “Boo ya!” at the end of his posting shows me a certain hypocrisy: on the one hand she criticizes me for being rude and ‘lambasting,’ and yet she has no qualms with expressions such as ‘Boo ya!”
      For the record, finally, I do not even know who Citra prabhu is; she is not one of my Facebook friends.

      • Gauranga prasad das

        This email by Bhakta Steve was written and forwarded by me way before the “Krishna West” decision was made at the GBC meetings (check the date on the email head ). He (Bk. Steve) would not even have imagined that his email will be discussed in this context. It is only a coincidence that these 2 events happened at about the same time. I am sure he will be gracious enough to apologize if he has hurt any devotee/s feelings unintentionally. But I personally don’t see the need for it. He often posts such funny exclamations at the end of his emails or FB posts. He is funny, energetic, enthusiastic. You could witness yourselves when you see his FB postings. So please don’t take things so seriously and literally.

        Yrs, gpd

        • Gauranga prasad das

          Would like to add that all the devotees mentioned in the email do agree and stand by to propagate that traditional Vaishnava attire as instructed and exemplified by Srila Prabhupada is the best way to preach Krishna Consciouness unless restricted/banned by any country.

          Yrs, gpd

      • Citra

        @Chandrashekara Acarya Prabhu

        Your wrote:

        “those devotees who want to practice Krishna Consciousness in Western cultural terms?”

        What about practicing according to Lord Krsna’s cultural terms?

        Krsna is a person, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He has His own eternal culture. One that we are supposed to be wanting to join.

        But apparently you and HDG don’t think that Krsna as a person with a culture and civilization exist. That it is just “Indic” anthropomorphism.

        This is based on impersonalism and ultimately atheism. A rejection of Krsna’s eternal culture.

        How will you go to Krsna’s world if you reject His culture?

        • http://Facebook Malati

          Maybe…Krsna is giving us the culture a little at a time…as in there are different at ages of religiosity. Krsna is so kind.

          • Atma

            “So far as “youth work” is concerned, it can be taken up, but our process must be followed strictly. Anyone may come but our process must remain the same. The men are expected to shave their heads and wear robes; they must attend classes, read our books, chant 16 rounds, attend arati, go for street Sankirtana, take prasadam only, etc. To have any separate institution apart from the temple, that we cannot do. Everything must be within the scope of our activities, then this “youth problem” can be solved. Our process is proven as the only effective means. If the government or any other organization gives up a place, then we can train up such youth in our own way and surely they will come out sane. That place given will be a temple. So the process remains the same, except on a larger scale. Not that there is a separate division of ISKCON to handle youth problem, but that we have a bigger temple to accommodate them is all, and then the people will see practically how we are doing the highest welfare work.”

            Srila Prabhupada letter to Rupanuga, 9 April 1971

  • Citra

    This text has been circulating recently indicating the positive effects of wearing traditional vaisnava clothing as introduced to the West by Srila Prabhupada.

    ———- Forwarded Message ———-

    Letter PAMHO:26141812 (28 lines)
    From: Internet: “Gauranga prasad das”
    Date: 22-Feb-14 23:25 -0500 (20:25 -0800)
    To: Bhakti Vikasa Swami [179308]
    Cc: “Bh Derek Gainesville”
    Cc: “PravinaGovinda Prabhu”
    Cc: “Radhananda Dasa.”
    Cc: “Rayanitai pranhu”
    Cc: “vishnujanadasa@gmail.com”
    Cc: “Vrindavanchandra Das”
    Attached: 26141812.eml (7892 bytes) “Original email file”
    Subject: Bhakta Steve
    ————————————————————
    Dandavats dear Gurumaharaj,

    All Glories to Srila Prabhupada and Your Holiness.

    Today I came across an interesting post on the FB by Bhakta Steve who is now
    preaching in Alaska and who had traveled with us during your last visit to
    USA. Thought of sharing it with you.

    Bhakta Steve
    Alrighty then! So just a few minutes ago, I was at the grocery store
    searching for some cream cheese while wearing my dhoti and kurta with Tilak
    on and a man stopped me and asked if there was a Hare Krishna Temple up here
    in Anchorage. I replied, no. I told him, I’m trying to start one; his
    response–take my info, I want to help. Warning to all the grammar nazis out
    there, I’m terrible with grammar. So what is the moral of this story?
    Wearing devotional attire with Tilak and a japa bag around your neck is an
    excellent successful preaching tool. He only knew I was a Hare Krishna
    because I looked like one. Boo ya!

    ————————-

    Yrs

    Gauranga prasad das

    (Text PAMHO:26141812) ————————————–

    ——- End of Forwarded Message ——

  • http://arsaprayoga.wordpress.com Ajit Krishna Dasa

    Dear devotees!

    “Any member of an assembly who knows the real truth but neglects to properly speak up is no different than a liar. A person who refrains from speaking the truth due to his own self-interest, fear or anger is a karmically condemned man. It is the duty of one who knows the truth to speak up and reveal it.” (Spoken by Lord Ram in the Padma Purana)

    Why should Hridayananda Goswami be allowed to be a leader for any project?

    I lived with Hridayananda Goswami for 10 days around 2001 or 2002. I observed him all days. He did not chant one single round these 10 days. His servant said he had not chanted for months. Also the previous servant said the same. He watched TV, played karmi music and spoke about useless things on the phone. I was supposed to be initiated, but after 10 days I more or less ran away from there. Krishna saved me.

    Please see the following text where Prahladananda Swami admits there are problems with Hridayananda Goswami. This was posted on Prahladananda Swami website:

    Jambavan Dasa says:
    January 5, 2010 at 7:23 am
    Accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
    I saw you article in the Sampradaya Sun and also the response to it.
    I have a question for you. As we know either you are part of the problem or you are part of the solution. As a senior leader and sannyasa minister of ISKCON what exactly are you doing to solve the problem, besides writing something that we all know at least for the last 15 or 20 years? As the sannyasa minister what are you doing to stop Hridayananda Das from making a joke of the sannyasa asrama and the rol of a diksa guru. I am sure you are totally aware of his activities, opinions, and life style. And this is nothing new, it is going on for many years Maharaja. Why you are not sanctioning or doing anything to stop such a shameless person who is misrepresenting your spiritual master?

    PrahladanandaSwami reponds:

    January 7, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    Dear Jambavan dasa,Please accept my greetings and the blessings of Lord Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
    Somehow the GBC Body’s attempt to encourage Hridayananda Maharaja to improve his sadhana bhakti and his behavior as a sannyasi have not had the required effect. There is an attempt at another strategy to handle the problem. We’ll have to see what Lord Krishna desires.
    Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,Prahladananda Swami

    I personally see Krishna West as just another sign of Hridayananda Goswami’s deviating path!

    Please forgive me if I have offended anyone!

    “If there is some honest criticism there should be no cause of becoming upset.” (Letter to Vrndavanesvari, 28.07.69)

  • ras

    Srila Prabhupada writes;

    “Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter of Oct. 9. I am very sorry to hear that Kirtanananda is advising you to give up the robes and the flags on the head. Please stop this nescience as I never instructed Kirtanananda to act like that. I am not at all satisfied with this action of Kirtanananda. Kirtanananda has no right to instruct you in that way, without consulting me. People are being attracted to the chanting of Hare Krishna & not to Kirtanananda’s devices. Kirtanananda suggested to me when he was here that the Americans do not like the robes & flag. I told him personally if you think that Americans in great numbers will follow you, simply for not having robes & flag, I therefore advised him to drop for a few days in London & test this theory. But he has gone directly to N.Y. & is now causing these disturbances without consulting me. I have not sanctioned these methods. In my opinion, Clean shaved Brahmacharies & Grhasthas in saffron robes look like angels from Baikunta. Translation of prayers into English is good & if somebody dresses like nice American gentleman without any robes, I have no objection; but every one of my disciples must have the flag & marks of tilak on forehead. This is essential. Besides that, nobody should do anything without my sanction….”

  • Guest

    Please accept my humble obeisances… I am reminded about an anecdote I heard from Ramiya Das… The anecdote was about an initiation by Srila Prabhupada. It involves Ramiya Das(Randy Meier) currently of the Alachua New Raman Reti Temple community… Upon seeing Ramiya’s full head of hair during his initiation proceedings… Srila Prabhupada asked why this devotee isn’t shaved up… They reminded Srila Prabhupada that they had spoken to him about Ramiya… Ramiya worked in the community and turned over his pay to the temple… So Srila Prabhupada not only instructed and wrote on such issues… Srila Prabhupada lived the western issues in everyday circumstances… even accepting such things, as necessary, during initiation… I think Krishna West is trying to come to grips with more than it can realize as transcendental beings tend to be one step ahead of their present mind…. Krishna has extended a thought to me and I say it in all humbleness and well wishing intention…. The Krishna temple communities are”blooping”… I think Krishna West feels that they have to do something to ensure that the movement doesn’t lose anymore of its momentum as far as being a movement for everyday people… Meaning that Krishna West may not know that they are reacting to the haughtiness and aloofness of some of the Hare Krishna community cliques that are destroying the open outreach concept, ingrained in the early days of the movement… Some within the movement today believe they are here as Krishna’s police force, however like the over inflated self serving Sadducees are actually hell bent on crucifying Christ at all cost… They will vilify, crucify whomever and whatever whim and whimsy moves them to their lynch mob mentality… The GBC cannot see the everyday community issues as they are unfolding and most times the GBC receives prepared tours and remarks about community functionality… The GBC questions about community issues are routinely met with patent answers designed to keep things “quiet”…. So we are left with reality, truth and transcendentalism taking a back seat to status quo and quid quo pro…. It is unfortunate and these are unfortunate times for devotees, however, unfortunate times gave rise to Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and his Sankirtana movement… Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada…. ISKCON, as well as other people and things of great renown and success…

  • Lawrence Michael Moore

    Please accept my humble obeisances… I am reminded about an anecdote I heard from Ramiya Das… The anecdote was about an initiation by Srila Prabhupada. It involves Ramiya Das(Randy Meier) currently of the Alachua New Raman Reti Temple community… Upon seeing Ramiya’s full head of hair during his initiation proceedings… Srila Prabhupada asked why this devotee isn’t shaved up… They reminded Srila Prabhupada that they had spoken to him about Ramiya… Ramiya worked in the community and turned over his pay to the temple… So Srila Prabhupada not only instructed and wrote on such issues… Srila Prabhupada lived the western issues in everyday circumstances… even accepting such things, as necessary, during initiation… I think Krishna West is trying to come to grips with more than it can realize as transcendental beings tend to be one step ahead of their present mind…. Krishna has extended a thought to me and I say it in all humbleness and well wishing intention…. The Krishna temple communities are”blooping”… I think Krishna West feels that they have to do something to ensure that the movement doesn’t lose anymore of its momentum as far as being a movement for everyday people… Meaning that Krishna West may not know that they are reacting to the haughtiness and aloofness of some of the Hare Krishna community cliques that are destroying the open outreach concept, ingrained in the early days of the movement… Some within the movement today believe they are here as Krishna’s police force, however like the over inflated self serving Sadducees are actually hell bent on crucifying Christ at all cost… They will vilify, crucify whomever and whatever whim and whimsy moves them to their lynch mob mentality… The GBC cannot see the everyday community issues as they are unfolding and most times the GBC receives prepared tours and remarks about community functionality… The GBC questions about community issues are routinely met with patent answers designed to keep things “quiet”…. So we are left with reality, truth and transcendentalism taking a back seat to status quo and quid quo pro…. It is unfortunate and these are unfortunate times for devotees, however, unfortunate times gave rise to Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and his Sankirtana movement… Bhaktivinoda Thakura,His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada…. ISKCON, as well as other people and things of great renown and success…

    • Lawrence Michael Moore

      I worship Govinda, the Primeval Lord…. No time for earth politics…. even if you call it devotion…. Govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami

  • Lawrence Michael Moore

    Please accept my humble obeisances… I am reminded about an anecdote I heard from Ramiya Das… The anecdote was about an initiation by Srila Prabhupada. It involves Ramiya Das(Randy Meier) currently of the Alachua New Raman Reti Temple community… Upon seeing Ramiya’s full head of hair during his initiation proceedings… Srila Prabhupada asked why this devotee isn’t shaved up… They reminded Srila Prabhupada that they had spoken to him about Ramiya… Ramiya worked in the community and turned over his pay to the temple… So Srila Prabhupada not only instructed and wrote on such issues… Srila Prabhupada lived the western issues in everyday circumstances… even accepting such things, as necessary, during initiation… I think Krishna West is trying to come to grips with more than it can realize as transcendental beings tend to be one step ahead of their present mind…. Krishna has extended a thought to me and I say it in all humbleness and well wishing intention…. The Krishna temple communities are”blooping”… I think Krishna West feels that they have to do something to ensure that the movement doesn’t lose anymore of its momentum as far as being a movement for everyday people… Meaning that Krishna West may not know that they are reacting to the haughtiness and aloofness of some of the Hare Krishna community cliques that are destroying the open outreach concept, ingrained in the early days of the movement… Some within the movement today believe they are here as Krishna’s police force, however like the over inflated self serving Sadducees are actually hell bent on crucifying Christ at all cost… They will vilify, crucify whomever and whatever whim and whimsy moves them to their lynch mob mentality… The GBC cannot see the everyday community issues as they are unfolding and most times the GBC receives prepared tours and remarks about community functionality… The GBC questions about community issues are routinely met with patent answers designed to keep things “quiet”…. So we are left with reality, truth and transcendentalism taking a back seat to status quo and quid pro quo…. It is unfortunate and these are unfortunate times for devotees, however, unfortunate times gave rise to Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and his Sankirtana movement… Bhaktivinoda Thakura, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada…. ISKCON, as well as other people and things of great renown and success…

    • Lawrence Michael Moore

      I worship Govinda, the Primeval Lord…. No time for earth politics…. even if you call it devotion…. Govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami…..